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	<title>Comments on: Tales of Universal Healthcare From the NHS and China</title>
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		<title>By: libertariangirl</title>
		<link>http://www.libertariangirl.com/2008/02/22/tales-of-universal-healthcare-from-the-nhs-and-china/comment-page-1/#comment-1001</link>
		<dc:creator>libertariangirl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Nov 2008 06:10:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can&#039;t necessarily tell you you&#039;re wrong about that, Mikey. But there is a party which wants to start fixing this in Canada, the End Suffering Party:

http://endsufferingparty.com/index.html/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can&#8217;t necessarily tell you you&#8217;re wrong about that, Mikey. But there is a party which wants to start fixing this in Canada, the End Suffering Party:</p>
<p><a href="http://endsufferingparty.com/index.html/">http://endsufferingparty.com/index.html/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Mikey Canuck</title>
		<link>http://www.libertariangirl.com/2008/02/22/tales-of-universal-healthcare-from-the-nhs-and-china/comment-page-1/#comment-608</link>
		<dc:creator>Mikey Canuck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Mar 2008 09:01:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My friend&#039;s wife was in labor for six days, but the hospital wouldn&#039;t admit her because their &quot;book&quot; said her contractions had to be less than three minutes apart. They never got that close together. It took yelling and screaming and the police being called before they&#039;d let her in. The Miracle of Birth the socialist way. I&#039;m sure they&#039;ll cherish the memory.

Here&#039;s a great essay on the effect of socialism on the British national character (Linked to my name). It applies with only minor modifications to us here in Canada, where over half the population is employed by the State, either directly or at one remove, and tax freedom day is June 20th. All the news here is either about the Government, or about what the Government need to do about some problem that is afflicting us. We&#039;ve become whining children.

Canada has more natural resources than any country save Russia, an educated populace, the world&#039;s biggest trading partner to the south of us, robust infrastructure and a seacoast in each of the two biggest oceans on Earth. We should be the richest country on the planet. Instead we&#039;ve been recently leapfrogged in terms of GDP per head by the tiny island states of Taiwan and Ireland. We must be doing something very, very wrong for this state of affairs to obtain.

I&#039;m still clinging to the fantasy that I can join the Free State project and live with some semblance of dignity, but it looks more and more like the U.S. government is swelling at an unprecedented rate with nothing in sight to stop it or slow it down. Please tell me I&#039;m wrong.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My friend&#8217;s wife was in labor for six days, but the hospital wouldn&#8217;t admit her because their &#8220;book&#8221; said her contractions had to be less than three minutes apart. They never got that close together. It took yelling and screaming and the police being called before they&#8217;d let her in. The Miracle of Birth the socialist way. I&#8217;m sure they&#8217;ll cherish the memory.</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s a great essay on the effect of socialism on the British national character (Linked to my name). It applies with only minor modifications to us here in Canada, where over half the population is employed by the State, either directly or at one remove, and tax freedom day is June 20th. All the news here is either about the Government, or about what the Government need to do about some problem that is afflicting us. We&#8217;ve become whining children.</p>
<p>Canada has more natural resources than any country save Russia, an educated populace, the world&#8217;s biggest trading partner to the south of us, robust infrastructure and a seacoast in each of the two biggest oceans on Earth. We should be the richest country on the planet. Instead we&#8217;ve been recently leapfrogged in terms of GDP per head by the tiny island states of Taiwan and Ireland. We must be doing something very, very wrong for this state of affairs to obtain.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m still clinging to the fantasy that I can join the Free State project and live with some semblance of dignity, but it looks more and more like the U.S. government is swelling at an unprecedented rate with nothing in sight to stop it or slow it down. Please tell me I&#8217;m wrong.</p>
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		<title>By: libertariangirl</title>
		<link>http://www.libertariangirl.com/2008/02/22/tales-of-universal-healthcare-from-the-nhs-and-china/comment-page-1/#comment-605</link>
		<dc:creator>libertariangirl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Mar 2008 15:46:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for your thoughts, Mikey. It is interesting that there might be hidden costs not taken into account (waiting room times, etc.) of which health care system is better. I also am SO glad that you realize that the US does NOT have a free market system; many people start the conversation by saying, &quot;The free market in the US has failed in healthcare,&quot; and it&#039;s not a free market system at all or anything resembling it at the moment.

&quot;Their unanimous advice: Never have a baby in England.&quot;

My same friend with the above NHS story told me that her sister and every woman in London has to give birth standing up. I know that&#039;s how things used to be done and perhaps that&#039;s a better way to do it, but it seems like people should be given a choice about such a personal thing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for your thoughts, Mikey. It is interesting that there might be hidden costs not taken into account (waiting room times, etc.) of which health care system is better. I also am SO glad that you realize that the US does NOT have a free market system; many people start the conversation by saying, &#8220;The free market in the US has failed in healthcare,&#8221; and it&#8217;s not a free market system at all or anything resembling it at the moment.</p>
<p>&#8220;Their unanimous advice: Never have a baby in England.&#8221;</p>
<p>My same friend with the above NHS story told me that her sister and every woman in London has to give birth standing up. I know that&#8217;s how things used to be done and perhaps that&#8217;s a better way to do it, but it seems like people should be given a choice about such a personal thing.</p>
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		<title>By: Mikey Canuck</title>
		<link>http://www.libertariangirl.com/2008/02/22/tales-of-universal-healthcare-from-the-nhs-and-china/comment-page-1/#comment-603</link>
		<dc:creator>Mikey Canuck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Mar 2008 06:58:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m a Canadian who has tangled with socialism and socialized medicine for 42 years and I can confidently say that it&#039;s an unmitigated disaster. I could go on and on about it, but I&#039;m afraid I wouldn&#039;t be able to stop. Our system is dangerous, demeaning and impossibly expensive. The stats you come across stating that Canadians spend less on health care than Americans are misleading in several ways. They don&#039;t take into account the cost of waiting for hours and hours in rooms full of sick people, missing work and risking contagion. They don&#039;t count as a cost the pain suffered during absurd waiting times for non-elective surgeries such as hip replacements. They don&#039;t count the psychological effect of having half our income taxed away to pay for the bloated and inefficient system. 

Canadians constantly commit the fallacy of the false dichotomy by judging their health care system only in comparison to the American system, which is itself quite distant from a free market situation. This is typical of my petty countrymen. They don&#039;t care how miserable their lives become, as long as they can feel morally superior to Americans.

I&#039;ve got friends in England with their own bumper crop of horror stories. Their unanimous advice: Never have a baby in England.

When my friends move to the U.S. they invariably encounter the notion that our system is spectacularly successful, and have a hard time disabusing people of their wrong ideas about Canadian health care. Well, here&#039;s the skinny from the horses mouth: The quality of health care in Canada is the same as that a homeless man would receive walking into a state hospital in Lincoln, Nebraska with no insurance and no money. The very few Canadians who get better care either have connections, or have flown to another country.
I should add that this terrible situation persists in spite of amazing dedication on the part of many medical professionals. It&#039;s quite an amazing system that can take everyone&#039;s sincere good intentions, their hard work, and huge amounts of money, and turn it all into steaming piles of shit. Wow!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m a Canadian who has tangled with socialism and socialized medicine for 42 years and I can confidently say that it&#8217;s an unmitigated disaster. I could go on and on about it, but I&#8217;m afraid I wouldn&#8217;t be able to stop. Our system is dangerous, demeaning and impossibly expensive. The stats you come across stating that Canadians spend less on health care than Americans are misleading in several ways. They don&#8217;t take into account the cost of waiting for hours and hours in rooms full of sick people, missing work and risking contagion. They don&#8217;t count as a cost the pain suffered during absurd waiting times for non-elective surgeries such as hip replacements. They don&#8217;t count the psychological effect of having half our income taxed away to pay for the bloated and inefficient system. </p>
<p>Canadians constantly commit the fallacy of the false dichotomy by judging their health care system only in comparison to the American system, which is itself quite distant from a free market situation. This is typical of my petty countrymen. They don&#8217;t care how miserable their lives become, as long as they can feel morally superior to Americans.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve got friends in England with their own bumper crop of horror stories. Their unanimous advice: Never have a baby in England.</p>
<p>When my friends move to the U.S. they invariably encounter the notion that our system is spectacularly successful, and have a hard time disabusing people of their wrong ideas about Canadian health care. Well, here&#8217;s the skinny from the horses mouth: The quality of health care in Canada is the same as that a homeless man would receive walking into a state hospital in Lincoln, Nebraska with no insurance and no money. The very few Canadians who get better care either have connections, or have flown to another country.<br />
I should add that this terrible situation persists in spite of amazing dedication on the part of many medical professionals. It&#8217;s quite an amazing system that can take everyone&#8217;s sincere good intentions, their hard work, and huge amounts of money, and turn it all into steaming piles of shit. Wow!</p>
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		<title>By: Daneil</title>
		<link>http://www.libertariangirl.com/2008/02/22/tales-of-universal-healthcare-from-the-nhs-and-china/comment-page-1/#comment-598</link>
		<dc:creator>Daneil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Mar 2008 04:33:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This falls in line with what I&#039;ve experienced from the NHS (and I&#039;ve heard France isn&#039;t much better).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This falls in line with what I&#8217;ve experienced from the NHS (and I&#8217;ve heard France isn&#8217;t much better).</p>
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