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		<title>By: Italian suits</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Jun 2011 20:20:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>May I just say what a relief to discover someone who really understands just what they&#039;re writing on on the internet. You certainly know how to get an issue to light and make it worthwhile. More people really should read this and understand this side of the story. I cant imagine you are not more well known because you certainly have the gift.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>May I just say what a relief to discover someone who really understands just what they&#8217;re writing on on the internet. You certainly know how to get an issue to light and make it worthwhile. More people really should read this and understand this side of the story. I cant imagine you are not more well known because you certainly have the gift.</p>
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		<title>By: libertariangirl</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Apr 2009 05:16:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Did Standard Oil really &quot;bully&quot; itself into the top of the markets? From what I understand, they revolutionized the kerosene and oil industries at that time by simply making such a better and more efficient product that they increased the sales of oil exponentially.  In the government&#039;s case, not a single consumer unrelated to a rival company was quoted as complaining about being harmed by the company.  We all could wish for such monopolies.

Microsoft has had many advantages, but even sitting in the catbird seat they have lost out to Google, Firefox, Apple and Linux in many ways. If people are completely happy with a product, a monopoly will naturally occur as people gravitate towards that product (think Ipods and IPhones and their ubiquity; they just work/look better than similar products that do many of the same things, so people want them). Price is not the only determining factor in a purchase. If people can compete on any level, through innovation, design or a better product, there will be no natural monopoly. No one could design a better product than Standard Oil could at that time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Did Standard Oil really &#8220;bully&#8221; itself into the top of the markets? From what I understand, they revolutionized the kerosene and oil industries at that time by simply making such a better and more efficient product that they increased the sales of oil exponentially.  In the government&#8217;s case, not a single consumer unrelated to a rival company was quoted as complaining about being harmed by the company.  We all could wish for such monopolies.</p>
<p>Microsoft has had many advantages, but even sitting in the catbird seat they have lost out to Google, Firefox, Apple and Linux in many ways. If people are completely happy with a product, a monopoly will naturally occur as people gravitate towards that product (think Ipods and IPhones and their ubiquity; they just work/look better than similar products that do many of the same things, so people want them). Price is not the only determining factor in a purchase. If people can compete on any level, through innovation, design or a better product, there will be no natural monopoly. No one could design a better product than Standard Oil could at that time.</p>
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		<title>By: Elton</title>
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		<dc:creator>Elton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Apr 2009 08:41:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would love to see true capitalism, but I am also concerned about monopolies. As Ben mentioned regarding Standard Oil, my example would be Microsoft, who started buying up all the competition or offering a free version of their competitors product, so their competitor never got a foot hold. 

I guess the issue is regarding companies that get so large that the barrier to entry to compete becomes too high.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would love to see true capitalism, but I am also concerned about monopolies. As Ben mentioned regarding Standard Oil, my example would be Microsoft, who started buying up all the competition or offering a free version of their competitors product, so their competitor never got a foot hold. </p>
<p>I guess the issue is regarding companies that get so large that the barrier to entry to compete becomes too high.</p>
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		<title>By: Ben</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ben</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Dec 2008 04:19:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;“Pure Capitalism leads to monopolies.” That is simply not true. I’d ask you to name for me a monopoly that wasn’t created as a direct result of policies from the government– I don’t think it’s possible, and a non-government-created monopoly is pretty much non-existent. If you can think of an example to prove me wrong, I’m all ears.&quot;

I do not believe that Standard Oil did anything illegal. Neither did Andrew Carnegie, anti-competitive sure, but not illegal. Once a company’s revenue grows, so does its influence. I can use this influence to purchase the suppliers of the materials it alters to make into its product, such as Andrew Carnegie purchasing iron and coal mines, the railroads to transport it to the steel mills. This was extremely efficient, and a person starting up a business would never be able to compete with someone who never had to buy any materials, only pay to have them gathered. 

There is also the case of Standard Oil, which was horizontal integration, where a company buys up all of its competitors. Once it buys up all of its large competitors, it is assured market share. Any new companies will be bought up by this company, for practically nothing compared to the value of the large company. If Standard Oil had not been broken up, it is estimated that it would have been worth one trillion today. With that money it would have easily been able to bully its way into even greater dominance on the markets.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;“Pure Capitalism leads to monopolies.” That is simply not true. I’d ask you to name for me a monopoly that wasn’t created as a direct result of policies from the government– I don’t think it’s possible, and a non-government-created monopoly is pretty much non-existent. If you can think of an example to prove me wrong, I’m all ears.&#8221;</p>
<p>I do not believe that Standard Oil did anything illegal. Neither did Andrew Carnegie, anti-competitive sure, but not illegal. Once a company’s revenue grows, so does its influence. I can use this influence to purchase the suppliers of the materials it alters to make into its product, such as Andrew Carnegie purchasing iron and coal mines, the railroads to transport it to the steel mills. This was extremely efficient, and a person starting up a business would never be able to compete with someone who never had to buy any materials, only pay to have them gathered. </p>
<p>There is also the case of Standard Oil, which was horizontal integration, where a company buys up all of its competitors. Once it buys up all of its large competitors, it is assured market share. Any new companies will be bought up by this company, for practically nothing compared to the value of the large company. If Standard Oil had not been broken up, it is estimated that it would have been worth one trillion today. With that money it would have easily been able to bully its way into even greater dominance on the markets.</p>
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		<title>By: Libertarian Girl &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Nonprofits Could Provide Licensing and Certification, Rather than Governments</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Feb 2008 18:42:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] people say, How can you trust a private corporation that is not the government to provide these important services? The answer is simple: free market capitalism. If the agency or [...]</description>
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		<title>By: libertariangirl</title>
		<link>http://www.libertariangirl.com/2008/02/13/evil-corporations-and-their-role-in-a-libertarian-society/comment-page-1/#comment-412</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Feb 2008 21:09:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Pure Capitalism leads to monopolies.&quot;  That is simply not true. I&#039;d ask you to name for me a monopoly that wasn&#039;t created as a direct result of policies from the government-- I don&#039;t think it&#039;s possible, and a non-government-created monopoly is pretty much non-existent. If you can think of an example to prove me wrong, I&#039;m all ears.

In a true free market, or &quot;pure capitalism,&quot; if you will, there can be no monopoly unless that monopoly is providing the most satisfactory service for customers at the lowest price, in which case, there need be no competition because consumers would be entirely happy. If a monopoly isn&#039;t providing good service, there will be a competitor that springs up that does so. If a competitor isn&#039;t providing the lowest price, a new business will start up to undercut that price. Try starting a new car company or a new cable company today-- by the time you meet all the government regulations, you&#039;re probably billions in the hole without a dime to your company&#039;s name yet. How&#039;s that for a good business model or for helping competition? That&#039;s why car and cable companies don&#039;t have to provide a product that matches customers&#039; needs-- they have no reason to! They know their government will bail them out in the end, anyway, even if they do a lousy job (especially applicable to the car industry).

&quot;It’s like saying you have a true choice in who gives you electricity.&quot;

Why not have a choice in who gives you electricity? Right there is an area in which free markets could thrive. Everyone only has ONE choice for electricity, a local monopoly created by government contract and price-setting. Let&#039;s give people a choice, and prices would come down and service would increase.

I&#039;m not sure about the US steel situation, but if that is the case, why not just institute large subsidies at wartime? We are not going to have a WWII-style rationing by the American public to win a war anytime soon, and for now we do have lots of allies, including India, which have very large steel industries. Finally, and most importantly, when the free market is allowed to work it can create wonders. It created steel, and it can probably create a better, cheaper alternative if the market demands it-- BUT it can&#039;t do that if the steel industry is being continually subsidized by taxpayers... new technologies can&#039;t compete with government subsidies. That&#039;s what worries me in the area of alternative energies.

&quot;There should be national standards also so cars made in California are at the same standards in New York in case they go cross country.&quot;

I don&#039;t understand why there should be national standards at all. By default, if a law is made in California regulating something, companies will make all their products in the US coincide with those regulations. You see it all the time on tags for products. No one is going to buy a car that doesn&#039;t meet safety tests. Beyond that, I&#039;m not sure what standards any cars should have.

What you&#039;re proposing, though (for example, national standards for cars) does not abide by the Constitution. The Constitution says all other matters shall be left to the states that aren&#039;t specified in the Constitution. It does not mention cars (or the equivalent in those days, horse and carriage standards!), and the spirit of the Constitution as laid out by the Founders does not go hand-in-hand with national standards for everything.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Pure Capitalism leads to monopolies.&#8221;  That is simply not true. I&#8217;d ask you to name for me a monopoly that wasn&#8217;t created as a direct result of policies from the government&#8211; I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s possible, and a non-government-created monopoly is pretty much non-existent. If you can think of an example to prove me wrong, I&#8217;m all ears.</p>
<p>In a true free market, or &#8220;pure capitalism,&#8221; if you will, there can be no monopoly unless that monopoly is providing the most satisfactory service for customers at the lowest price, in which case, there need be no competition because consumers would be entirely happy. If a monopoly isn&#8217;t providing good service, there will be a competitor that springs up that does so. If a competitor isn&#8217;t providing the lowest price, a new business will start up to undercut that price. Try starting a new car company or a new cable company today&#8211; by the time you meet all the government regulations, you&#8217;re probably billions in the hole without a dime to your company&#8217;s name yet. How&#8217;s that for a good business model or for helping competition? That&#8217;s why car and cable companies don&#8217;t have to provide a product that matches customers&#8217; needs&#8211; they have no reason to! They know their government will bail them out in the end, anyway, even if they do a lousy job (especially applicable to the car industry).</p>
<p>&#8220;It’s like saying you have a true choice in who gives you electricity.&#8221;</p>
<p>Why not have a choice in who gives you electricity? Right there is an area in which free markets could thrive. Everyone only has ONE choice for electricity, a local monopoly created by government contract and price-setting. Let&#8217;s give people a choice, and prices would come down and service would increase.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not sure about the US steel situation, but if that is the case, why not just institute large subsidies at wartime? We are not going to have a WWII-style rationing by the American public to win a war anytime soon, and for now we do have lots of allies, including India, which have very large steel industries. Finally, and most importantly, when the free market is allowed to work it can create wonders. It created steel, and it can probably create a better, cheaper alternative if the market demands it&#8211; BUT it can&#8217;t do that if the steel industry is being continually subsidized by taxpayers&#8230; new technologies can&#8217;t compete with government subsidies. That&#8217;s what worries me in the area of alternative energies.</p>
<p>&#8220;There should be national standards also so cars made in California are at the same standards in New York in case they go cross country.&#8221;</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t understand why there should be national standards at all. By default, if a law is made in California regulating something, companies will make all their products in the US coincide with those regulations. You see it all the time on tags for products. No one is going to buy a car that doesn&#8217;t meet safety tests. Beyond that, I&#8217;m not sure what standards any cars should have.</p>
<p>What you&#8217;re proposing, though (for example, national standards for cars) does not abide by the Constitution. The Constitution says all other matters shall be left to the states that aren&#8217;t specified in the Constitution. It does not mention cars (or the equivalent in those days, horse and carriage standards!), and the spirit of the Constitution as laid out by the Founders does not go hand-in-hand with national standards for everything.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Tsai</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul Tsai</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Feb 2008 19:21:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The main issue I feel with these views is that they are divorced from reality and they ignore history.

The majority of us go to Walmart despite its huge subsidies, extremely low wages and its effects on urban sprawl and local economies.  Taking Big Government away is just going to make Corporation jobs easier, they don&#039;t have to grease as many wheels.

Pure Capitalism leads to monopolies.  Simply look at the woes of our Industrial revolution and the horrendous conditions people were forced to work under with pittance for pay.  To say that people in pure capitalistic societies have choice is a fallacy. It&#039;s like saying you have a true choice in who gives you electricity.  Despite the fact the the devil himself may be profiting from you buying electricity, you will buy it if he&#039;s the only one around.  Big Corporations will ensure that they are the top dog, just like Rockefeller did.

In certain cases certain industries do need subsidies to survive which are critical the the security of the US.  For instance steel.  The US cannot depend 100% on foreign steel in case of war.  All other subsidies, where its clear the corporations are just greasing wheels for profit or are able to post profit, should be eliminated.

At the same time Governments should be able to place limits on what Corporations should be and not be able to do.  There should be national standards also so cars made in California are at the same standards in New York in case they go cross country.

Remember the Articles of Confederation failed.  The purpose of the Constitution is not to replace it with the Articles of Confederation again, but to improve upon it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The main issue I feel with these views is that they are divorced from reality and they ignore history.</p>
<p>The majority of us go to Walmart despite its huge subsidies, extremely low wages and its effects on urban sprawl and local economies.  Taking Big Government away is just going to make Corporation jobs easier, they don&#8217;t have to grease as many wheels.</p>
<p>Pure Capitalism leads to monopolies.  Simply look at the woes of our Industrial revolution and the horrendous conditions people were forced to work under with pittance for pay.  To say that people in pure capitalistic societies have choice is a fallacy. It&#8217;s like saying you have a true choice in who gives you electricity.  Despite the fact the the devil himself may be profiting from you buying electricity, you will buy it if he&#8217;s the only one around.  Big Corporations will ensure that they are the top dog, just like Rockefeller did.</p>
<p>In certain cases certain industries do need subsidies to survive which are critical the the security of the US.  For instance steel.  The US cannot depend 100% on foreign steel in case of war.  All other subsidies, where its clear the corporations are just greasing wheels for profit or are able to post profit, should be eliminated.</p>
<p>At the same time Governments should be able to place limits on what Corporations should be and not be able to do.  There should be national standards also so cars made in California are at the same standards in New York in case they go cross country.</p>
<p>Remember the Articles of Confederation failed.  The purpose of the Constitution is not to replace it with the Articles of Confederation again, but to improve upon it.</p>
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